But you're right, they could be, Dr. Ahmed, they could be change agents for the good. They could be. QANTA AHMED: They could be -- they could be, if they were pluralist Muslims, if they knew what ...

Now, your response to that? DR. QANTA AHMED: Oh, she argues that while she calls for sanctions on Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East, constantly and very brutal and vicious sanctions on ...